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The Truth: Reformation 2.0 Book - Interview + Giveaway!

Image of a latte in a red mug on a white table cloth next to a pair of black glasses and an open book. Caption in yellow writing reads, "hear from luke and kayte abaffy about their new book the truth: reformation 2.0"


Learn more about the new book The Truth: Reformation 2.0 by Luke Abaffy, who along with his wife Kayte, created The Way Documentary and The Christmas Question. We will be hearing from the Abaffys today and giving away a few copies of The Truth!

What is The Truth: Reformation 2.0?

This is the book I wanted when I was learning about faith. It addresses the contradictions found in our church doctrine and what the Bible says. All of those "but what about..." questions that pop up in discussions about keeping the commandments Luke answers. 

Some of the questions answered in the book:

-But didn't Jesus fulfill the law so we don't have to?
-Didn't Jesus declare all foods clean?
-Wasn't the law done away with?
-Have you read Galatians?!
-Did Jesus break the Sabbath?
-Are you going to stone your children?
-Isn't the point of the New Covenant that we don't need to keep the law anymore?!

These are the questions I had when my faith was changing, and these are questions I hear all the time, in real life and here on the blog. And yes, all of these topics and more are explained in The Truth! And you don't need to be a scholar to track with this book, which I love! The explanations are simple...most aren't longer than two or three pages...but they are thoroughly answered using Scripture. Luke gives many fun analogies and it reads like how you would talk to a friend at Bible study. I laughed out loud more than once when I read through it.



Luke and Kayte were kind enough to take a few minutes to share a bit about the book and the process of writing it with us!

Land of Honey: What inspired you to write The Truth?

Luke: For years I wanted to write a book laying out all my thoughts on theology, so our sons could read it. But I didn't think I was qualified or would be until I was an old man. I think that because of that lack of confidence in being a big wig "theologian," I ignored any prodding of the Spirit to write the book. I wasn't likely to do it for decades, or ever, as I wasn't likely to magically morph into a “big wig theologian”. Then, in the summer of 2021 I was building a deer fence for our apple trees and by a nearly impossible effort of overwhelming stupidity, I impaled my hand on a metal t-post. It severed my tendon. I was in the hospital waiting to be put under for the operation to reattach the tendon and sew up my hamburger-meat hand, when I started thinking and praying. It went like this: "Luke, if you're weirdly allergic to whatever anesthesia drug they give you and you die, would you be happy with what you've accomplished?" I lay there thinking. Then, "No, Luke, I'd have wanted to write down what I believe for my kids first." More thinking. "Then you better do that." So that was the inspiration. Lol.

Also, the reason I wanted to write this instead of making it a doc like The Way, was partially because of Milton Friedman. He was doing interviews when television was first becoming widespread. He aired his idea in radio interviews, on television and also written down in his most popular book: Capitalism and Freedom. Friedman said the best medium to get difficult ideas across was the written word. Why? People weren't distracted by the looks or presentation of the author (like with TV), or his voice and cadence (like with radio). They study his ideas via black and white words. And those ideas either make sense, on their own merit or they don't. Also, readers can go back over the page at their leisure to re-read paragraphs or whole sections easily instead of having to rewind or pause. 

Photo of an open Bible on a white table. Text says: What would Jesus do? Quit asking. Do what he did.


What did the process of writing this book look like and how long did it take?

Luke: I looked at all the questions I’d ever been asked by Christians in my life about keeping Torah. I went through tons of Torah resources where teachers answered questions and objections about our faith. Kayte posted on our Facebook page asking our community what theological truths were hardest to explain and articulate. That initial list became the content of the book. From there, we divided it into chapters that covered the book’s big ideas - things like our identity as Israel, how Yeshua lived, the goodness of the law, the character of Yah etc.

It took 8 months to do the study/research and write the first draft, but then it took another 6 months of research and editing to get it pretty nailed down to a point that we were finally willing to let it go out to some trusted readers. 

This book is "eating the elephant". It's tackling every doctrinal question and argument that mainstream Christians ask us. It's diving into all the gospels, and Paul's writings and Hebrews. So, it was a bit daunting at first. But thank goodness we were standing on the shoulders of giants. For the most part I tried to restate in a cute way, what other big brains (such as Nathan Lawrence, and 119 Ministries) had already solved. But there was a bit of new ground I think Yah let us break. So, with persistence, you eat the elephant, one bite at a time. And during all of that, our perspective changed on a few issues. That always happens when doing non fiction though. I consider it a sign that I'm being honest with the material. More on that later.

Kayte: I worked with the book cover designer and the illustrator to execute everything visual about the book. We’d made a huge list of potential illustrations for the concepts in the book and then narrowed them down to the key ones we wanted, plus some Venn Diagrams. So we drew awful stick figure sketches that gave the illustrator an idea of the composition and elements of each image, and he took them and ran and made them look great.

Luke would come home from writing at the end of the day and I would ask him what he wrote about. I’d ask question after question, trying to get him to distill the main ideas to their purest form. I’d be like, "Did you say it like THAT in the book!?" and I'd write down any good language that came out of the torturous questioning--to add to the book.

The Church and Israel = True - images shows a complete circle which says Israel = all true believers = church and a venn diagram which is two circles that say church and Israel with saved Jews overlapping in the middle. Beneath this is the word false.


How did your faith grow throughout this process?

Luke: Whenever you see the hand of Yah working in your life, your faith grows. That happened in this project throughout, just like with The WayThat was so exciting to see, because it's not only a personal confirmation that you're doing the right work for Him, but after The WayI only hoped and prayed that we could again be used where Yah's hand is apparent, and we can watch Him work throughout. 

One instance with this project was when we were looking for an artist. Kayte queried dozens of great artists and all of them were too busy to do it within our timeline, even if they were interested in the project. Frustrated, we kept looking, but Kayte reached out to an artist named Jesús Meza in Mexico. He was the first one who could make room to do this project. And they started working on concepts. In the process of trying to explain where we were coming from, Kayte was explaining about Passover and Jesús said, "Oh yeah, I know all about it. I've been keeping Passover for years." He’s a Messianic believer. We were shocked and he was totally on the same page with all the art and could thus make it come across in the manner that we needed. That's one example of how no matter what we tried to do, Yah guided everything. It was already planned. 

Kayte: The idea that Yah is the rewarder of those who diligently seek Him came alive to me in this process. When answers or His direction isn’t instantaneous and you have to doggedly pursue Him, it really does reveal your heart—whether I care enough to continue seeking Him—and whether I believe that seeking His face will pay off with a deeper knowledge of who He is. Also, on the more logistical side: timing the book release around Reformation Day was totally accidental, which sounds insane given the subtitle of the book—but we didn’t plan that at all. Yah did!

I love the fun analogies used throughout the book - do you have a favorite? or one that seems to 'click' with most people?

Luke: I don't know what clicks with people yet because so far, only editors and beta readers have read it. But I think that most important are the Engine of Atonement and the Queen's Court (rules of etiquette vs atonement) as they both try to explain New Covenant and priesthood/atonement topics that were difficult for me to understand. The worst one is "Christ as Toothpick". I'll let the readers find that one for themselves. 

Text reads: Spoiler alert: if we are true believers, we are no longer Gentiles, but Israel. -The Truth: Reformation 2.0 - yellow text on a white background, with the edge of a Bible visible at the bottom


Do you have any tips for navigating sharing these truths (or the book itself) with family and friends?

Kayte: 

-Ask questions.

-Use resources like this book to fill in theological gaps  and answer questions that might still be hazy in your mind. Feeling settled in your own understanding is a good step towards more peaceful Bible conversations with friends and family.

-Think about apologetics as a pantry of pre-prepped ingredients that allow you to be ready to serve an answer to a person who’s hungry and sincerely questioning. Don’t think about loading up on apologetics like arsenal for a food fight—if I can take the analogy a bit too far :) 

-Remember that it’s the Spirit who opens eyes and our understanding.

Luke: What ties the book together is the through-line that if you believe the Torah isn't for us today, then dozens of contradictions within the Scriptures are instantly created. Following that overarching theme, we visit 25 of the unnecessary contradictions created and use them to visit all of the popular arguments brought up by mainstream Christians. 

The main audience for the book is the Torah-observant believer, with the hope that if a mainstream Christian picked it up, they wouldn't be put off or feel like we're writing in a different language (literally). If you’re planning on giving The Truth to a friend or family member who’s not on board with Torah, they would need to have a more than a passing interest in the possibility that it's true that the Torah is relevant for us today to get through it. The main goal of the book is to help harden the faith and defenses of Torah observers. The idea is to fill any cracks that might appear in their apologetic veneer through want of research. So my tip is: if you don't have an overarching framework that lets you respond to queries, attacks or debates from all directions, then check this book out. 

When will The Truth: Reformation 2.0 be released?

Kayte: The e-book is out now and the paperback version will be shipping on November 15.

Where can I get it?

Paperback and digital copies can be purchased online through The Way's website.

Hear from Luke and Kayte Abaffy about their new book The Truth: Reformation 2.0 | Land of Honey


I hope you will have a chance to check out this resource, and read more of the explanations and analogies, and see eye opening images! It will help you better understand the Bible. Congratulations to Luke and Kayte for completing such a great project and thanks to them for joining us here today!

For the giveaway! Luke and Kayte have been kind enough to donate a few copies of The Truth! We are giving away two physical copies of the book (open to US and Canadian readers only please), as well as two digital copies (open to everyone!). Feel free to enter both if you are in the US or Canada! It's open for a week and winners will be contacted via email.

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The Christmas Question - Interview with Kayte Abaffy

Interview about the new documentary The Christmas Question + a giveaway | Land of Honey
Let's talk Christmas! Kayte and Luke, the husband and wife duo behind The Way documentary have teamed up with 119 Ministries to create an eye-opening new documentary - The Christmas Question

Have you ever wondered why the Messiah's birth gets celebrated on a date the Bible doesn't specify? Or wondered what evergreen trees have to do with his birth? Maybe your kids have asked why Santa comes down the chimney? Did you know that Christmas used to be illegal in the United States? Or maybe you've found yourself wondering if these traditions matter to the Living God? In The Christmas Question, Kayte and Luke travel around the world to talk to experts to find answers!

Have you ever wondered where Christmas traditions come from? Find out in The Christmas Question| Land of Honey

I enjoyed the documentary so much and I'm excited for you to see it too! During the holiday season I like to remind myself of why I no longer take part in the traditions I once loved, and The Christmas Question definitely brought fresh conviction! While hearing from the experts was educational (I especially enjoyed Dr. Philipp Nothaft), my favorite was hearing from believers, such as sisters Michelle Glasgow and Kay Smith, and Abraham and Jane Lockwood, about their own experiences with starting to question Christmas traditions. If you feel like you're alone in your convictions, hearing from them will be so refreshing!


Abraham and Jane from The Christmas Question documentary | Land of Honey
Fellow Christmas-questioners, Abraham and Jane.

That said, this film is really made for believers who do celebrate Christmas. And it does an awesome job of asking thought-provoking questions, and then shedding the light of historical truth about where Christmas traditions - and even the idea of celebrating it - come from. I loved that they decided to stick to facts supported by history! There are a lot of pretty wild hypotheses out there about some Christmas traditions, and while those aren't necessarily wrong, it's easy for people to wholesale write-off any problems with Christmas when others say things that can't be proven. The format they chose is clear, and leaves less room for doubt or arguing. Yay for that!

I don't want to give too much away, but there are a couple of quotes I want you to hear from the movie:

"I find it amusing when people say, 'put Christ back in Christmas,' because if you are Christian and you really do want to follow the teachings of Jesus then, yeah, it probably doesn't make much sense to have all of these pagan things that represent fertility because that's not really about the birth of Jesus." -Scarlet Ravenswood, tarot reader and solitary witch

"On comparing the Christian calendar with the pagan one, it is impossible not to be struck by the great concordance between the two." -John Calvin, A Treatise on Relics

"For people that just want to say that it doesn't come from pagan origins, my opinion on that is you're just turning a blind eye to what history has told us. ....When we deny that these origins exist we actually do a disservice to Christian intellect." -Dr. Jonathan Smith, resident minister at Convocation of Anglicans in North America

"Where in Scripture do we find that the Father redeems anything from a pagan god's worship and redeemed it for himself? I don't see that anywhere in Scripture." -Michelle Glasgow


The Christmas Question: Does it matter to the Messiah how we celebrate his birth? | Land of Honey

Are you eager to check it out? You don't have to wait because it's completely free to watch online! I'm totally pumped about that, because I know those who are curious are going to be way more likely to watch something without a cost. Who wants to pay $14.99 to find out their favorite holiday isn't the best? But if it's free your curiosity just might get the best of you. Thank you to those of you that supported the making of the film because many more people will be reached this way. You can watch The Christmas Question here.

Streaming not your thing? Would you like a hard-copy to share with a friend or add to your congregation's library? Want to support Kayte and Luke so they can keep making amazing documentaries? DVDs are available for purchase here.

The Christmas Question documentary - Maria Kvilhaug, norse mythology and religious history expert | Land of Honey
Norse mythology and religious history expert, Maria Kvilhaug.

Kayte and I were able to connect, and she was kind enough to share with us some of their experiences with making the documentary, as well as their own experiences with how to handle the Christmas season now!

Land of Honey: What inspired you to make this documentary?

Kayte: 119 Ministries reached out to us about making this film. A few years back, we'd traveled to Costa Rica to interview Jon Sherman for The Way documentary and that's how we met. 119 Ministries had an incredibly impactful video called Sunburned that they wanted to redo in a new format. They wanted to make a documentary, to look at Christmas' history in the most journalistically sound way possible, and to forgo including any ideas that might be speculative in nature in the discussion.

So that's where we came in. We prayed about our involvement and thought about whether we felt we could add something helpful to the discussion on Christmas - and when we felt like we had the go-ahead, we dove in!

The aim of the film is to get to the bottom of why Christians celebrate Christ's birth in certain ways, and then to help the audience examine whether Christmas and its traditions pass the test of worshipping our Creator in both spirit and truth.

Can you tell us some the places you went while filming?

Fortunately, we were able to secure interviews with some of the world's preeminent scholars on all kinds of topics related to Christmas - and many of those people are in Europe. We ended up traveling to seven countries make the doc - England, Norway, Denmark, Germany, Italy, Canada, and all over the US. 

You can learn more about everyone we interviewed here.

Did you learn anything about Christmas that surprised you in the process of making the film?

Oh man! There are a weird factoids about mistletoe and strange legends about St. Nick and why Santa comes down the chimney instead of through the front door! And there's a lot that I've learned about the date, December 25th and what was happening on that day, long before anyone ever celebrated Christmas.

Another truth that's been highlighted in this process is that the word Christmas means a lot of different things to different people. It's loaded, like the word "religion." When some people say Christmas, they're conjuring up images of time spent with family reading the nativity story in the Bible, sitting around the tree. Christmas for them is synonymous with the Christ's birth and family time. Other people picture hoards of insane shoppers trampling each other and all of the stress and commercialism of the season. Other people are thinking about how amazing it is that during this one season, strangers are all of a sudden so much more kind! Others think of pagan sun god worship! ...And some are just thinking about Home Alone.

Acknowledging where a person's coming from can make our conversations so much more fruitful.


The Christmas Question documentary - interview and giveaway | Land of Honey
One of my favorite parts was hearing from this panel of believers!

Has the journey of this film stretched or challenged your faith at all?

The biggest challenge is just remembering to stay prayerful through the process. Remembering to pray first when there's some inexplicable tech glitch and the audio file won't transfer to the sound engineer. Remembering (during the process) that God already sees what the project will be when it's completed and having faith that He'll help us get there... because it's tricky work at times with what feels like millions of decisions to make. 

The release of the film has been a little nuts with some strange hiccups! We were definitely tested this past Shabbat, when things were going wrong with the film's release and we were pushing up against Shabbat starting. When you've promised something and haven't quite delivered yet AND have to stop working because it's time to rest - that's a hard one. But we've learned and continued to learn that obedience to God first is always the right answer. We can't lean on our own understanding - we have to keep Him first. 

What has your personal experience been like walking away from Christmas? 

Christmas used to be my favorite! So having Christmas become just a normal day was faintly weird at first, haha. It's an interesting sensation, having what feels like the whole world celebrating Christmas, in every store you step into and on every street you walk down...and knowing you're not doing those things. And on the flipside, it's also been funny, celebrating, say Sukkot, and having the Amazon Prime delievery guy wonder why you're camping out and cooking breakfast over an open fire in your own yard. (I would have told him, but he left too quickly!) 

Sidenote: some "Christmas" carols are still wonderful songs to sing, I think. They have such beautiful messages about the Savior's birth! And if anything, that's something we can all celebrate. I tend to sing them during Sukkot instead...or just any time :) As a new mama, it's kind of exciting and also a big responsibility to create wonderful new family traditions around our new special days. That's part of why I love Land of Honey! You have so many fun ideas for building a festive atmosphere from scratch.


The Christmas Question: Why was Christmas once illegal in the United States? | Land of Honey

How have you been able to share the changes you've made with no longer celebrating Christmas with friends and family?

I think it's really helpful to focus on the positive when talking to friends and family about why you no longer celebrate Christmas. I've heard so many people say, "We don't celebrate Christmas!" Period. End of sentence. It's so abrupt! Haha And when we say that, the person we're speaking to might be hearing, "We don't care that God sent His Son to live among us and die for our sins." ...which of course is not what we want to convey!

It's so important for people to understand that it's not the facts of his birth that you're avoiding, it's the trappings that have snowballed around His birth. We've simply traded out Christmas for other (more Bible-based) ways of celebrating Him instead. 

Why not tell people that you've discovered the holidays God gives us in Leviticus 23 are chock full of beautiful symbols and traditions that all point to our Messiah and His life and ministry? Tell people how much of a blessing it's been to celebrate these special times. 

Do you have any tips for believers who are navigating away from celebrating Christmas? 

When it feels hard, go back to why you're doing what you're doing. Go back to what you know for sure. Remind yourself of the truths that you've seen that you know it's impossible to un-see now. I always find that reassuring.

Where can we go to check out the movie and stay in touch with you guys?

You can watch The Christmas Question, for free, forever here on 119 Ministry's YouTube channel.

You can also buy hard copies and digital downloads of the move if you'd like special features (and the ability to watch the movie without being online). Just head to our website. 

The Christmas Question - new documentary from the makers of The Way | Land of Honey

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